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Game of Thrones stars Jacob Anderson and Joe Dempsie | The BFI Radio Times TV festival

Game of Thrones stars Jacob Anderson and Joe Dempsie | The BFI Radio Times TV festival

– It’s been such a buildup. I mean, I cannot, I’ve
worked in a few TV shows where there’s been finales
and all that kind of stuff. I cannot remember a time, not only where a series has had the
confidence to take a year out just because they wanted to get it right, but also, just the insane
level of expectation that’s now upon us for the next six weeks. How did it feel going into
season eight knowing that? – Well, we also, to that. I don’t think that it just, that year out, was just sort of–
– No, it wasn’t a holiday. – As in we needed that (laughing). – It’s quite–
– so was the mood different? Was the mood different on set? – It was strange, because
like from the off, so the day that we all
got sent the scripts for season eight was, we knew we had this
read through booked in, we were all gonna get together in Belfast over the course of two days
and we’re gonna sit down and we’re gonna read season
eight from start to finish. And we knew that this was coming up, and we still didn’t have scripts. It was like three days
before we were due to go and suddenly they arrive and so everyone was texting each other
going don’t spoil it for me like whatever you read don’t say anything until we get there and– – Come on there must
have been one little shit that didn’t do that. Who was on the group first
who went straight in? – No I mean there were some people that didn’t even bloody read it but it was–
– There were some very shocked people in that read through. – But yeah, but then there was a really, when we finished the final episode, there was a really subdued atmosphere. It was weird considering the fact that we knew we’d just
done two days of semi-work and we had another like
10 months ahead of us of actual hard work to get it done. It felt like we were all
fully aware now of how, what a finite amount of time we had left on this amazing show and
with these amazing people. – Yeah let’s take a
look, look at some clips. Let’s start with you sir, we’re gonna take a look at one of my favourite Grey Worm scenes. Let’s have a look at this. – This is so cool being at the IMAX. I wanna watch it.
– Go on, go. (applause) Yeah, where was that shot? Was that in Belfast or
was that out and about? – That was out and about. That was in Morocco. That was like my third,
second, third week of filming. – Wow. – Do you know I thought
about that night quite a lot this season cause that was
my first ever night shoot and I was just like this is amazing, this is like having a sleepover. This is like, this is the best thing ever and I was getting high
off this Moroccan tea it was just like full of sugar. You’ve been in Morocco. – Oh yeah, I’m amazed
that anyone in Morocco still has teeth and doesn’t
have diabetes. (laughing) – Like my eyes were like, so I was so excited about
having a night shoot and then I’m sure you’ve
heard about the long night. – Well I did a day shoot for Throne Cast I think on the first day
that all the crew at Belfast got their call sheets for season eight. There was a lot of swearing going on. They were like, every single
thing is a night shoot in the cold, in the mud, you know so it gives you
some kind of indication as to kind of the hell you
guys are gonna be put through in season eight but I guess yeah– – But that’s it, I kept
thinking about that night and I was like remember
how excited you were, you were 22, you were like,
this was the best thing ever and when you stood in
actual shit sometimes on a farm, at night, and it’s
like night 20 or whatever you’re like remember that
night, remember that night, you were so happy, you
were so young and happy. (laughing) – There’s a guy called
Kenny who deals with all the rare breed animals
just outside of Belfast while you shoot and he does get orders for loads of different
types of animal shit to bring onto set. That’s an actual true story. – Well they never told us that. – Thanks Kenny. – It was like, it’s a
farm, what’d you expect? No their bringing it in. (laughing) – Talk to us about Grey Worm. I mean how was he sold into you? Were you aware of the
character before you started? How was he described to you? – So I wasn’t really aware of the books, I hadn’t read any of the books but me and Joe have been
friends for about 10 years so I knew about the show
cause Joe was in it. I watched it cause Joe was in it. I was like, oh what’s this
wizards thing he’s talking about I don’t know. – On all sake, it was before season one, I was incapable of selling the show with any real conviction. – You really didn’t sell it. – Cause I didn’t know
what it really was either and I only had a small part in season one and people would go,
so what you working on? I’d go, oh it’s this
interesting thing of HBO, it’s like mediaeval
fantasy with like dragons, and there’s a dwarf in it and you just see their eyes glaze over. – It’s a difficult sell, yeah exactly. – But Jacob watched it anyway. – I watched on a plane. I don’t know if I told you that. I watched the first 10 episodes, I watched them on a plane, like
a long haul flight obviously and I was like.
– Stayed on the plane and he went to Paris.
– Wait, wait. Miss. (laughing) – No, no, no. No I think I watched nine and
I didn’t get to the last one and I watched–
– how could you stop at the end of nine on first season? Goodness me. – Yeah and then I pirated it when I got to South Africa. But yeah, so I thought the show was great and I think season two hadn’t aired yet when I auditioned for it so it was still, it was this thing that people
were kind of talking about but I didn’t quite know
exactly what it was and I thought it was great. I was just like I would
just love to be in that show and then I auditioned for it in English. They were like, your own accent maybe make it a bit posher or something and then I got the part
and they were like, um so– – By the way. – By the way, you don’t
speak English in this. – No cock, and you’re talking like that. – Yeah, I’m like oh okay, I did languages in school maybe I could, yeah it doesn’t exist,
it’s a made up language. So yeah, but it was kind of, David and Dan said from the start, they were like we don’t
know if Grey Worm’s gonna be in three episodes,
just til the end of this season, or we don’t really know
yet what we’re gonna do. He’s kind of more like a figure head to represent the unsullied. But yeah, I remember Dan said
something to me in Morocco which is, my whole
first season on the show was in Morocco and he
said, just think of a robot that’s made only out of
trauma instead of parts. – Holy shit. (laughing) – He’s like whenever you get the instinct to like feel something, just
imagine a rush of trauma go through you and so
that’s why I look like that. That’s why I’m doing
that face the whole time cause I’m a trauma robot
and then it turned into trauma Pinocchio like
he’s a boy made of trauma who learns how to therepize
himself through other people or other people teach him to do that. – Was it, I mean I’ve spoken
to a couple of other– – Most of you are like,
do you just stand there looking grumpy all the time? (laughing) – There’s a lot going on behind, there’s a lot going on over there, there’s Pinocchio, there’s– – It’s all in the eyes,
it’s all in the eyes. – Was it, when you, cause
obviously you get told in bits and bobs about what’s going on and I remember interviewing Ian who has played Ser Barristan Selmy, one of the greatest characters, and he was quite angry
that he got killed off. He was one of the– – Oh hell yeah. – He was so mad. Oh my god. – Cause he’d read the books and he was like, I’m good, I am good, and then he got the call
sheet and he was like, why am I only needed for six days? What is going on here? And then read the script
and he was quite cross. Was there a bit where you’re kind of, where you rushed to go how
many days have I got left on this shoot or I’ve made it? – I constantly thought
I was gonna get fired probably because the guys were like, we don’t know what the
long game is for you yet. – We’re just gonna wait and see. – Yeah exactly, just dangle that over you. But Ian, me and Ian got on really well. I miss him to this day,
he was great to work with and he would just go on tours of the set, just on his own, he’d just walk off. – He was a massive fan. – He’d be like, I’m just
going for a wee dander. – Didn’t you say he’d
do that mid sentence? Like mid conversation, he’d just walk off? – Yeah, he’d just walk off. (laughing) but I think he said to me,
the scene where he dies, so I also, cause we
got the scripts kind of in dribs and drabs that year I think, it was like that was the
end of that pack of scripts so I didn’t know if we
were both dead or what. – So you were on the cliffhanger as well? – But when he found out he was like, no in the books I don’t die. (laughing) and he kept being like it should be you. He’s like, it should have been you. And I was like okay. – I mean Barristan Selmy,
the greatest warrior every in Westeros, oh my god. And as Grey Worm obviously
he’s developed so much and he’s found, we left him finding love so he’s no longer
Pinocchio, there is a heart, the tin man has a heart. That must have been good
fun to kind of explore that because it was a great development. – Yeah, yeah. And I think that it’s like, it’s really again I think
you can sometimes watch, sometimes I watch myself and I’m like, yeah he’s the grumpy warrior guy but yeah different directors
we always talk about every year I’m kind of like,
well maybe I could do a little, like a little glint in my eye, or a little smile or something
and we just try stuff but a lot of the time it’s like, okay can you do that without smiling? – Can we just have
classic Grey Worm please? – Yeah their like just
do it with your eyes. Like Joe said, it’s all in the eyes. – Because weirdly there
aren’t many love stories in Game of Thrones, there
are very few couples, actual couples and I
think it’s been a pleasure in season seven, finally
seeing you and Missandei getting together and you’re
obviously really good mates with Nathalie as well, it
must have been good fun to finally kind of hook up. – Um that day as any actor will attest to is awkward, cause me and
Nat have been friends since season three and
we’ve kind of got a sort of sibling like relationship. – Well you have in Game
of Thrones definitely. (laughing) – We did in the books, yeah. So yeah it was very uncomfortable but also it actually helped
in the end that we’re friends cause it meant that we
checked in on each other that whole time and it’s made
it less uncomfortable sort of I don’t know. But it’s really nice to
be a part of just a nice– – Well that’s what I mean, there aren’t many moments where we’re Aww. – Yeah, they really care about each other and they’re not trying to use each other. It’s like sex isn’t about power for them, love isn’t about power for them, it’s about acceptance and trust. That’s one thing I really
like about that scene. It’s one of my favourite scenes, just in terms of like the
scene that comes before the sex part of it. I said that like I’ve
never had sex in my life. – He did. (laughing) – But yeah, the scene before that, I just really love it
cause I think it’s like, it’s all about these two
people accepting each other for who they are and been especially in terms of
Missandei and Grey Worm cause Grey Worm’s never
been naked in front of, probably in front of the other unsullied, they’ve probably got a shower. – Yeah is there a backstory to that? – Probably a shower, sure. (laughing) – That’s the fan fiction. I think it’s time for another clip. – Nothing to compare
though is there really? – Joe, let’s take a
look at Gendry shall we? – Alright. (applause) – I don’t know about you guys but when I first saw that scene it was such a satisfying
Game of Thrones moment. I mean it must have been
pretty good for you too. – Well yeah, it was nice to have a job. (laughing) nice to get your job back. – So let’s discuss that
cause you know as a viewer and as a person that goes on the internet you can’t, you know #wherethefuckisGendry was going on for a long, long time. – #stillrowing that’s the thing when I read that, cause David and Dan, they like to, and Bryan Cogman as well,
they like to pepper in, usually the stage directions, they like to pepper with in jokes. Like there was something in season seven in the episode after
this, Beyond the Wall, where after rowing for a
ridiculous amount of time Gendry then runs at an
unfeasible speed but– (laughing) – How long is that run? I mean in terms of distance. – Well because what we do
for that whole episode, the whole shoot of that
episode in Iceland, we would, you don’t get
many hours of daylight in Iceland in the middle of winter so we’d really only get four, so we’d spend the entire day filming whatever walking, talking scene
was scheduled for that day the whole gang of us and
then about half an hour before the end of the shoot,
everyone else would wrap apart from me and I would have
to run back the way we came at every single location. But in the stage directions for that bit they put something like
Gendry sets off running for a Scouser he sure
runs fast and I was like, oh someone’s been on Wikipedia. I was born in Liverpool, didn’t
grow up there, not a Scouser but they like to do bits like that and it’s kind of nice, it kind
of humanises it all for you, makes it feel a bit more personal but with that, I was like hold on, how confident do two
showrunners have to be to reference a tweet in a
Mediaeval fantasy series. They have Ser Davos come back and say, I thought you might still be rowing. It was one of those where
they’re just kind of really in the groove and just ready to provide those fan pleasing moments. I think that’s the great
thing about Dave and Dan. You know you sometimes get creative people who are almost too, they don’t wanna, right there I’m thinking is like Radiohead don’t wanna play Creep in
Glastonbury or whatever or they did but they
don’t wanna give the fans what they want cause they
feel that in some way means that they’re pandering. – Yeah or that it cheapens it. – Yeah or that they’re not
kind of forging their own creative path and yeah
David and Dan have never been afraid to just do those
like lovely little nods and keep the viewers happy. – When you got the gig– – Yeah. – Were you told that
this is gonna be great but please make sure
you look after yourself for a good six or seven years
and we’ll come back I promise. – No. – No I mean when I first go the job, I mean this is season one
and I had really no idea what it was I was letting myself in for. I was aware of the book, I
had a friend who had read all the books as a teenager and he was a huge fantasy literature buff and we used to take the
piss out of him for it, so in fact it wasn’t
anything nice literally. – Who’s laughing now? – Well, me. (laughing) but then so he kind of filled me in on what the story was kind
of, the overarching story was about but I auditioned
for like three or four different parts before
getting the part of Gendry. – Who did you go for? – Well, Jon Snow initially,
cause when they were casting for the pilot I think
pretty much every actor of a certain age that was
white probably went in for it and, let’s be honest about
it, and then it was about 18 months after that they
finally got commissioned to full series so then I
auditioned for Pyp and Grenn, Jon’s mates at the wall,
didn’t get either of them, and I was just thinking,
they are convinced I am the worst actor on the
planet, I don’t know why. And then my final audition for Gendry was potentially the worst
audition I’d ever done cause it was with Frank
Doelger and a load of the, David and Dan and the other producers and every time I finished
a reading of the scene there’d be like three seconds of silence and then like with you
that Frank would say, yeah can we try that one more time, just a bit concerned that Americans aren’t gonna understand
a word you’re saying. (laughing) Which basically was code for Frank Doelger didn’t understand a word I was saying and so I just forgot about it
and then when it came through season one, it was a
small part in a TV show that no one really knew anything about so yeah I didn’t have a clue. And then at the end of season three when they said that
Gendry was gonna disappear for a while, they did
say, look the plan is to bring him back at some point. – The plan is, that’s not very kind. – Well this is it and when you
also know that David and Dan to their credit I think, you
realise once you’ve worked with them for a while that they will, whatever it takes to make this show as good as it can possibly be, they’ll do. So although like– – Yeah, so everything’s
for the show isn’t it? – Yeah and although from
seasons one to three I felt like their friend and I was though, I don’t think there was
anything insincere about that but it wouldn’t have stopped them from just deciding they didn’t
have time to bring Gendry back or that they wanted to go in a completely different direction so I always had that in the back of my mind but one of the other things
they said they wanted to happen was that they wanted
to leave it long enough that people started forgetting about him before they brought him
back so that his arrival would be a big surprise. – I didn’t see that coming,
you know when he goes in there and we saw the back of your head and it’s like oh someone’s got a buzz cut. – But you said you had the internet right? – Well yeah I know but
– and you go on the internet. – I stay away from that. But when we saw you turn around, that was a great moment. – Yeah I mean it was so, cause the thing, and I think in someways sort
of Twitter got me my job back cause I think with– – You don’t find many
people saying that mate. – No it’s usually the
opposite way around, isn’t it? You lose your job but they were kind of saying
yeah they wanted people to forget about him and I think
that what they underestimate and I think what everyone
underestimates is that because of the rich Mythology
that George R.R. Martin has created, you know this
world in which there are family trees that go
back thousands of years and the political implications
of certain relations are so crucial and it leads
to endless theorising. The longer a loose end is left untied the more conspicuous it
gets in Game of Thrones rather than it being
something that just fades from the memory. – Is he talking about
Lady Stoneheart as well? – Give it up. (laughing) – So by Gendry as a guy,
I mean alongside Jon Snow, you know that’s gonna be quoted right? – Yep. – It’s been a long press tour, – I’m so sorry – It’s like out of delirium. (laughing) – I mean alongside Jon Snow,
Gendry is one of the good guys in terms of the fact that he has never asked for any of this,
do you know what I mean? And seeing him kind of being
brought back into the fray is a little bit of Avengers Assemble, it’s a little bit like– – Oh that’s totally what season seven was all about, wasn’t it? – Exactly. – Character development? – Lob it all in.
– Story. I really need to shut up. – You’re brave. (laughing) – Oh my god. But that’s what it felt like. – Joe’s not gonna be in Star Wars. – But this is what, everyone– (laughing) – Geeks. – Stop. – No look, but this is everyone, like about the story you
told about Ian McElhinney and about him being really upset that Barristan Selmy got killed off early, everyone has this real
attachment to their characters and like you say, we’re
getting drip fed information at the same rate that viewers are, maybe just a little bit earlier because we get the scripts before you but in terms of certain really
key pieces of information about maybe where your
character came from, what has made him the
person that he is today, they’re being really drip fed. So you have all these questions
that you want answered too. And I mean season seven for Gendry was clearly just about get
him back into the story. Just get him back into it, get him back involved,
and let’s start moving all these chess pieces in order so that we can start season eight with a bang. – And his relationship to everybody else has been, it’s not had to be rushed, but you’ve had to kind of
get back into the groove quite quickly, do you know what I mean? In terms of there was
the scene where you were all heading towards, into– – To Eastwatch.
– Well to go get the white. Where you kind of had to make
friends with a lot of people very very quickly, didn’t you? – Yeah and I mean that was, I don’t think there’s ever been a more Motley
Crew than that Motley Crew even more Motley than the band Motley Crew and a lot of people with,
I mean I just saw Paul Kaye across the way– – I know, the Thoros of
Myr was just backstage. – He’s here for something else but we’ve been asked quite a lot over the last couple of weeks about our particular personal highlights or experiences that we
feel were really staying up in our brains and those few weeks that we spent in Iceland
filming Beyond the Wall will stay with me forever
cause it was just, it was an amazing time
and a lot of those actors I’d kind of already, quite
a few of them I’d already worked with on the show,
little bits and pieces, but yeah Gendry really had to just sort of fit straight back in and try and get over
his resentments towards Beric and Thoros and stop talking about that particular scarring, scarring experience with Melisandre. – I mean there’s a lot
of fan fiction going on about that scene as well, believe me. – Could you write weirder fan fiction than what was actually in show? – No I guess not. I guess not it just
ends quite differently. (laughing) – Now before we take a look at kind of a, I guess we’re gonna take
a look of where we are now in a minute but has it been fun, it must have been quite difficult being so separate, you know there’s so many different kind of set ups, like you said, you’re in Morocco, there are other bits going on in Belfast, other bits going on in
Iceland, all these places, and as the story has developed and kind of started to gather together,
one thing that’s kind of become quite clear is that now everybody’s kind of getting together. How has it been making that? Because even from a crew point of view everyone’s kind of started
to kind of all condense into one giant kind of like monster. – Have they? – Well I mean just in terms of– – No, they have. – You know what I mean in terms of working together, there are
characters meeting like in Beyond the Wall that we haven’t
seen together and stuff, that must have been quite reinvigorating. – I think that’s part of,
to what Joe said earlier on, I think it’s kind of part of the strength of what David and Dan
have done with this cast is that I think they
curate, they cast people, as much as they cast
the characters I think. They’re really careful
when casting to cast people that they would get on
with and knew would get on with the team that they
already had in place. So every time they add somebody,
they kind of fall into it really naturally, so I think
as people have joined up together and as the story goes on, it does feel really natural
cause I think they did that intentionally when they cast everyone. There’s like a no asshole rule– – Yeah.
– On the show. – That’s a good rule. – Yeah that always starts–
– Not everyone sticks to it. – On any job that you
do, the tone is set by those at the top and I always
use a football analogy. You know with Man United
with Alex Ferguson there’s this no one is
bigger than the team sort of philosophy.
– I have no idea what you’re talking about. – Okay, talk Star Wars. – A football analogy. – Can you talk Star Wars? I won’t talk football again but yeah it’s that everyone is aware that they’re a cog in a huge, huge machine and that it is a team
effort and that it’s not, there’s no room for any ego when you’re all trying to pull together to make something on this scale. – I always forget that Conleth and Peter weren’t part of our, like the team Dany, like when it was Emilia and
Ian and Nathalie and me, that felt like a proper,
and Ian McElhinney, it’s felt like a proper
team and then Ian left and the other Ian left and
then Peter and Conleth came in, obviously they had their own thing and it’s like, you forget that
it wasn’t always that way. It’s really, they’re
really smart those guys. – Yeah. – It’s worked out pretty
well for them hasn’t it? I tell ya what, shall we
see where we left the team? – I need to go further back for this. – No, no we’re not doing the trailer yet. – Oh, okay. – This is the climax of season seven. Let’s revisit it and remind ourselves. (applause) so how do you watch the episodes? Do you all get to sit
together as a cast and crew and watch every episode as they come or are you kind of the same as us? – The last two years I’ve
watched it in bed on my iPad. (laughing) Yeah, my wife’s asleep
so I just watch it live. – So you don’t get any spoilers. – But yeah, we don’t
see, apart from usually the first episode of a season and we’ll do a couple of cast and crew
screenings or premiers and stuff, yeah the rest of them we just
watch them as they come out. – And as the effects,
one thing I’m noticing, I’ve watched a few episodes
with a few of the cast, and it’s great seeing how excited you are by the majesty of it all as much as we are because it’s just– – Well that’s I mean,
in the wilderness years should we call them, seasons–
– the rowing years. – Seasons four to six
for Gendry, it was one of the great things about it was
that I got to watch the show as a fan, I didn’t know what
was gonna be happening in it and I would be there every week
waiting for the new episode and marvelling at how this
show managed to outdo itself year upon year. And that’s kind of what I meant
about the season seven stuff it was just like so many set pieces, like one after the other that
you didn’t quite think could, you know the last one couldn’t possibly top the one before and it always did. And we always, I mean the
IMAX is something else, but even just seeing them
on a regular big screen is pretty special for
us cause it feels like that’s where they live,
they really hold their own, more than hold their own,
it feels like they should be seen on a big screen. – And I mean, one thing that
that climactic scene shows is how far I think Game
of Thrones has moved along the fantasy genre because Game of Thrones is an incredibly difficult, like you said, difficult show to describe to people. There are still people,
there are still twats that take great pleasure in going, never watched it mate and– – Why are you telling people that though? No one asked. – Exactly, it’s like the same people, I don’t have a mobile phone you know. It’s like I don’t give
a shit, I don’t care but it’s like, how do you describe Game of Thrones to people? Because I’ve heard it
described as a mixture between Lord of the Rings and The Wire or there’s elements of House of Cards, do you know what I mean? How do you describe it? – Joe described it in a really amazing way earlier on today, do you
remember what you said? – Are you giving me Tim
Lovejoy’s castoffs now? (laughing) – I mean yeah but that’s
like if you just had to describe it in 10 seconds. – Yeah.
– Yeah, sorry. – But in like what scenario would you have to describe it in 10 seconds other than being on Sunday brunch
(laughs) in the morning? – Before drinking Whiskey. – Yeah and after drinking Cherie. I was a bit lit on Sunday brunch today. – But the fact that
season seven climaxed with pure fantasy and yet the whole world was grit and completely
sold on the Night King and the terror of the Night King and how distraught we all were when Viserion was yanked out of the ice the metaphors of it
all worked so, so well. – I think, like you said,
I think you could kind of tailor successfully
without lying, the show to different people with different tastes. I think you can say to
somebody who really loves Scandal, you can be
like oh this is full of political intrigue. You could say to some, House
of Cards, you could say to somebody who loves family drama, like loves I’m gonna use– – EastEnders
– who loves EastEnders, you could be like, it’s
full of family drama. You could say to somebody
who loves superhero movies, you could be like– – What’s it about to you individually? What do you, which bit do
you relate to the most? Which part of it? – I think there’s like real
drive in the story where, like for me, I really love watching things where there’s not like
a right or wrong answer, where it’s all kind of grey
and I love the greyness of the show, not cause– – Hey, he knows what he’s doing. He knows what he is doing, he’s a pro. – Love to yourself. – Literally you turn that around. Brilliant brilliant. – So what I’m saying is,
so anything greyscale, Greyjoys, Grey Worm, I love
everything grey about it, no but genuinely in terms of the story– – The shades of Grey and the characters – The shades of Grey. – There’s loads of shades of
grey, there’s about 50 too. – Yeah I like, like Jamie Lannister, how many shows, how many books
do you get Jamie Lannister? Who does like the most despicable things for so long and you can get to this point and not be able to help
yourself but love him a bit? – He’s the Walter White. – Yeah. Alright Breaking Bad kind of did it but Breaking Bad’s got one, we’ve got 20. – Yeah but Jamie’s got a golden
hand for crying out loud. – What about you Joe? – I think a kind of similar answer. I think these days for better TV audiences are far too savvy for right
and wrong, good and evil, and I think what George
and then David and Dan have translated so well to
screen is a show in which there are so many rich and
interesting well rounded, three dimensional characters
who all have flaws, are all conflicted in
various different ways, and who all despite whatever your view on the morality of their
actions at various points during the series, all
believe at that point, they are doing the right thing. Whether it’s for them or
whether it’s for their family. How many people actually
love Cersei in this room? I do, you know despite
everything, she’s a woman who loves her kids and
will stop at nothing to make sure they’re protected and seeing as they’ve not
been, will stop at nothing to get the people that did that to her. – Also she loves power and I kind of love that she really takes joy in being nasty. – Oh unapologetically yes. And there’s no hidden
agenda really with Cersei for the most part. And so I think that coupled with this and I think that’s been the key part of moving what it’s done
for the fantasy genre. You know I was being a
little facetious earlier when I said fantasy
growing up wasn’t my thing and it used to be and my
friend that read all the books when we were in school, it was a thing that you kind of ribbed
him about a little bit. – Well the geeks will inherit the earth you know that is the rule. – Well exactly and I think
the last 10 or 15 years in film and television
has really solidified that and Thrones has been a huge part of it. – What were the first words
uttered after the table read? – It’s a trap. (laughing) – What was the mood like? – The mood was very subdued, right? But not necessarily related
to the content of the show but just because like Joe said, I think Joe said it perfectly earlier on, it was like, we were
like, oh this is over, this massive portion of our life is done. Not really thinking
about the fact we had– – Still had to film it. – Yeah, we had to actually do that stuff. – But I think it was Kit said a while ago and it resonated with me
that yeah the end of that read through, he said
normally when you get a set of scripts through for a
season on Game of Thrones you get to the end of the final episode and it says end of season three, end of season four, and at the end of this it said end of Game of Thrones and it just really hit home. I got goosebumps just saying it and I got goosebumps just
watching that trailer again and I’ve seen that so many times now but on that big screen
yeah it looks amazing. – I’m gonna be watching
The Avengers on this screen in like two weeks and I was like, “I just saw my face, I saw Joe on here.” – Well I mean, there’s only six episodes, we’ve waited a long, long time for them, is it fair to say that the kitchen sink has been thrown at this and this has got everything going for it? Is that a fair assumption? This is gonna be the hardest conversation I’ve ever had in my life. – Um, it’s really fucking good, yeah. (laughing) – I say that as a fan of Game of Thrones. – Well the Belfast premier on Friday, how satisfying was that? I can’t, I don’t even know what I can say. Can someone take Hannah
from HBO out of the room? Then we could really
have a good conversation but I’ve got so many questions on ice. – Okay the thing, I do
think that this season has the perfect balance between, like we all know what it
is that the characters are anticipating, what it is that we’re all readying ourselves for, what it is that we’re trying to, this reckoning that is about to happen and I’m sure, I mean we
haven’t seen anything past episode one. But I’m sure there’ll be
some of the most stunning Game of Thrones sequences
that you’ve ever seen but it also in amongst that,
really does find the time to really check in with those characters that you’ve grown to love over
the course of eight seasons and I think it’s perfectly balanced between the show stopping sequences that I think have made Game of Thrones redefine what television is capable of and those, like we talked
about, those rich characters that I think that’s
really hooked people in and there’s plenty of
that in season eight. – I just want there to
be a sidequel to this season where like somehow
Gendry and Grey Worm find the time to solve mysteries together. (laughing) Preferably in the South, in
Esos, where it’s nice and warm. It’d be like Magnum PI kind of thing. – Yeah yeah, I can find ever creative ways to skive off work in the forge. Find out what you can tell Missandei, where you can tell Missandei,
she thinks your cheating but really we’re sleuthing.
(laughing) Latter, definitely. – Also cause you get to show off right? – Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You get to do the thing a bit more, I mean I was so impressed when I saw that scene for the first
time we watched earlier cause it like, that little
snippet that we watched, that’s not even the most
mental part of that, isn’t it? – No, it’s quite, I’m not saying this to criticise David but it’s quite choppy, whereas we actually– choppy film making.
– Dave, it’s a little choppy. – But like we’d spend so much
time learning these things and I’d say everybody
in the cast, does like, the stunt team are amazing
but everyone in the cast does their own fighting,
so you know you’re just drilling it, drilling it, drilling it so you wanna try and get
the whole thing in one but that’s vanity. – But also as a viewer I
think, Battle of the Bastards, that was season six wasn’t it? I mean that was one of the most staggering pieces of television
I think I’d ever seen. That blew me away as a viewer and the thing that I loved about it was that I think we’ve all seen so many movies and TV shows with
battle sequences in them and I think often if the editing,
if the cutting’s too quick you get desensitised to
the violence a little bit and it all just looks
kind of like shadows, shapes kind of moving, blood
splattering, silhouettes and something about the way
the Battle of the Bastards was shot was so real and
visceral and it was because– – The Claustrophobia – Yeah battles that it’s
not always frenetic action sometimes it slows right the way down and that moment where
they’re all surrounded and the Bolton’s are
just moving in slowly, slowly the shields moving
in, the spears are moving in, or even just the bit where
Jon Snow’s suffocating under a pile of dead bodies,
there’s nothing explosive about that, that’s a slow,
creeping, horrible way to go. But something that you
can imagine happened in the madness of those scenarios and I think that that’s
where the humanity lies. – Hopefully not. – Yeah, hopefully not. Yeah, I think the great thing
about the way Game of Thrones has evolved over the years
and the way that it’s not, you know now that we
have things like Sky Plus and we can stream and we can record and watch things when we want, you really do lose that
sense of event television and I personally love the
feeling of communal viewing. You might not know anything,
that feeling that you and millions and millions of other people around the world are watching something at the very same time.

57 comments on “Game of Thrones stars Jacob Anderson and Joe Dempsie | The BFI Radio Times TV festival

  1. Greyworm and Gendry are honestly my two fav characters in the whole show!! So this made my life!! But Iโ€™m also a huge huge fan of Podrick, Brienne & Jon

  2. Grey Worm & Missandei are refreshing, they really do have an amazing story & love, so sweet they are. Hope Gendry lives and gets with Arya. Really don't want anyone dying, even Cercei

  3. that's it, gendry is gonna sit on the throne! he has baratheon (last one at that) and targaryen blood. y'all heard that, he brings up grrm's rich mythology, mentions family trees that go back thousands of years (*cough targaryen ancestry cough*). political implications of certain relations, eh? stark and baratheon houses finally joining. the producers wanted us to forget him so we'd be surprised eh, most people believe jon or dany are gonna win the throne, no one would suspect that an illegitimized bastard would start vying for the throne, i think the producers got rid of him all those seasons to hide they fact that he poses a real threat for the throne, gendry gonna play an important role this last season. but then again this is all pure speculation, i might be completely off base and biased lol.

  4. The first time I watched Dempsie on Game of Thrones, it was a bit jarring. Because I was so used to his dim-witted but adorable character from Skins…

  5. Jacob Anderson you had great chemistry with Missandei. You're love story was one beautiful, pure thing. I have wondered about the sex and how many parts you had in the show. Hope to see you on the screen again soon.

  6. Barristan was really short-changed by his death. His whole turn to Dany's side was a pleasant surprise and the three seasons of his service to her didn't really pay off other than getting himself killed defending Grey Worm from getting killed. He went all the way to Essos to be a useful asset for Dany after having no use to Joffrey and he didn't show much of his worth than giving Jorah a competition. I guess the showrunners just didn't want one too many sidekicks on Dany's team so they settled for losing the aging knight, just like when they killed of Rhakaro and Irri in season 2 which still pisses me off to this day because I didn't like seeing Dany lose her closest Dothraki companions after whom the Dothraki no longer had a big presence in her company anymore.

  7. There are these youtube videos that are like on 5% volume while this video balance it all out being on 50000% volume

  8. Two great dudes! ๐Ÿ˜€ Looking forward to sharing that finale with everybody, and/in the spirit of the time we live in. ๐Ÿ˜›

  9. "Joe's not gonna be in Star Wars" lol
    well that'd be a shame, he'd be a perfect young Obi Wan Kenobi.

  10. Jacob agrees with Joe but he's not as crazy to say it out loud haha.

    He's not gonna be in Star Wars, indeed!

  11. Seems like the actors understand their characters far more than D&D. I'm guessing a lot of them read the books to prepare for their roles based off what they've said.

  12. When you see how much they invested themselves into the show, they really work on their character and put themselves into their mind, it's just so sad thinking how S8 ruined it. The actors, more than anyone else, understand their character development and i can imagine how upsetting it should be to just see something you work on for 8years rushed by neglected writting

  13. 20:23
    All of the actors/actresses told us before the final fellas. We just didn't get it from the very beginning. Shane on you D&D!

  14. Sound guy goofed!!! What's with the levels, mics clipping all over the place. Some poundshop mics as well. Sounds like shit

  15. Well joe, we are gonna miss in you in the business, you are not gonna get many jobs after what you said

  16. I don't remember a TV series where so many actors or other members of the crew openly show disagreements about the writing of the series they work at.
    Miguel Sapochnik told recentlty that he had argues with D&D because episode 3 and other things. The show runners literally destroyed the show.
    I don't remember a TV series where so many actors or other members of the crew openly show disagreements about the writing of the series they work at.
    Miguel Sapochnik told recentlty that he had argues with D&D because episode 3 and other things. The show runners literally destroyed the show, and the saddest thing is that it seems they were warned about for a lot of people inside the GOT production.

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